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Cognizant (CTS) forced resignations : Employee Interview with HR – Audio, Transcript

We have been writing about the manner Cognizant (CTS) HR treats the employees. There were newspaper reports, then we got first hand account of affected employees, now we have a solid evidence, an audio recording of discussion between an MS rated employees and a senior HR manager.

The employee was put under enormous pressure by the HR crowd and finally he could not bear it any longer and he resigned. Then after discussing with NDLF – IT Employees Wing and other affected CTS employees, he decided to withdraw his resignation.

He wrote

“I have been forced to leave the job, which amounts to illegal retrenchment. [— removed —] I have never accepted MS rating & even if i got MS, I deserve one more chance in the organisation. I want clarification for the MS rating given to me.

I am withdrawing the resignation, which i submitted due to pressure given by HR. Please approve resignation withdrawal request as i want to continue my journey with CTS.”

Subsequent to this, the employee was called to meet a senior manager of HR.

In this conversation, the employee is polite, logical and firm that his resignation was obtained under pressure, hence it is a forced resignation. He also states clearly that it t is illegal and that he wants to take the resignation back.

HR manager dodges the issue. He diverts, tries to bully, patronizes and insists that the Hobson’s choice offered (either resign now with 4 months salary or resign after 2 months) is not forced resignation. When the employee correctly points out that the choices offered mean it is a forced resignation, HR becomes angry.

The employee points out how the appraisal is anything but logical, his work of 2 years is not reflected in the rating and even his reporting manager never indicated any performance problems. HR manager takes a side track and says he can not discuss appraisal system, he is not authorized to discuss it. The HR manager goes in circles to prove something which can be never proven.

Taking the risk of his name being exposed, the employee agreed to share this conversation in public. He wants to put a stop to Cognizant’s illegal and inhuman behaviour. He wants his job back and wants all his fellow employees to join hands to fight this.

Listen to the discussion

Note on appraisal system in CTS : There are 4 buckets in appraisal – 1- Exceeds All Expectation 2-Exceeds Most Expectation 3-Meets All Expectation 4-Meets Some Expectation. Both your yearly increment and bonus will depend on the rating and every year the management decides how much bonus to pay to each category.

This system is arbitrary, illogical and unscientific. The accepted principle is equal pay to equal work in equal position. This system aribitrarily discriminates among employees based on manager’s, HR’s and top management’s whims and fancies.

It is not a matter of one employee! Thousands of employees are going through similar torture in various CTS offices. Thousands more go through it silently in TCS, Infosys, Wipro and other IT companies.

It is high time we organize as a strong union and bring in democracy, respect, dignity for employees in the work place. Democracy does not mean only voting every 5 years to elect someone send to Parliament or Assembly. It means democracy in all walks of life including work place, in living space, in education and in conducting day to day affairs of our country.

Let us get together to bring in real democracy to our country.

We call upon all IT Employees to take a stand and join the struggle against corporate profit hunt at the cost of employees. Please join New Democratic IT/ITES Employees Circle.

Also read this article about the root cause of the current madness going on in IT sector.

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  1. Dialog is given in two columns. One column to each speaker.
  2. When HR interupts, the speech is given on the same row.
  3. At places where one or few words were not clear, notations [unclear] or [inaudible] are used.
  4. At places where the sense is clear but not the exact words, the sense of the sentence is given between [].
  5. Name of the employee is avoided.
  6. In 3 places, speech is in Hindi for few sentences. A basic sence of those sentences are given after a notation [in Hindi]
  7. Some other notations like [silence], [typing], etc are also used.

Employee

HR

We had already discussed, right?
Yes, but.. this is not right.. I am totally depressed by my decision. I am going to take my resignation [back]. That’s why I pushed that mail
Sorry. what we have said about resignation? You had 2 option [unclear]
But that is not the correct way. This is totally illegal. I heard that CTS is the most employee friendly company. But this is not the correct way we should go actually…
What is correct way
I should get opportunity for next level. Just one appraisal system can’t force me to fire from Cognizant
Hold on hold on. What is the process. Like. It is a rating system. [unclear]
Yeah
For MS rating associates we have a certain [unclear] you know about
But this is not fair actually, right … there is never… no where it is written, like, those who got MS rating You tell me some thing. What were we discussing in the last 3-4 meetings. Who are you’ve been speaking to
Hm?
Who are you’ve been speaking to?
Hm. these days? Actually I got a call from unions actually, from Chennai and all.They told me not to resign but I resigned last but totally
What is the union saying
They said not to resign. Nothing else.
how is that sort of they got your number?
From some where they got it actually. May be my, may be some friends or something.
[inaudible]
That was before only, before my resignation only they called me. After that I have never contacted.
And what did they tell you. After this resignation also you spoke to them. right
No. after that not, I thought… deeply and I totally … that day also just, due to pressure I resigned
You came and in just five minutes you resigned. what pressure?
It is pressure
Which pressure. That day. Let us be very clear. Right. You came in. just 5 minutes you resigned. What pressure. What pressure you are talking about. who put pressure. I want to understand. You put your resignation in 5 minutes or not
But… 3-4 times. before that also… before Monday also, I had chat with you people. Due to that.. I ..
What did we discuss in that chat. It was very simple. Right.
There is no opportunity in CTS
Right. Exactly. And then we spoke about 2 options
That option is. That is. We spoke about 2 options. right. Have we at any point in time, not being transparent with you?
No. Transparency is always there but you people have given me only one option now. to resign
Hold on. 2 options given. Resignation [unclear] immediate release. You opted for that option. No body insisted you on any option.
And second option is also for resignation only.
2nd option, putting in papers, 2 months notice period. Nobody forced you to [unclear]
No

Third person, a woman, is entering the scene, and is silent all through the discussion.

So my point is. [unclear]. We had a long conversation.
But. See. your point of view is. I’ve gone through If is a fact. It is not point of view. Opportunities within Cognizant are non existent, which I have told you.
But this is..
I am very surprised. [unclear]. In terms of the mail which you sent. Who forced you to resign? Is that how you write a mail? Did I force to resign?
No other option. No other option
There is no other option. I am telling you even now. I am standing by what I am saying. within Cognizant, there is no option.
That means forcefully. no other option. I have to resign. What is forcefully
Because See. I am telling you one thing. It is time you started taking responsibility for your actions. You wanted lots of clarifications. You wanted lot of clarifications. We have you the time clarifying all your points. On Monday you came. first 5 minutes you put in your resignation and said I want to go for option. We were very very transparent. We told you the process. Every thing was. After that. Today, you are sending that mail. Now. This mail which you sent. What did you thing this mail will do?
No. but everyone should know what happened. Not like. Everyone, my director, senior director, fantastic
they should know happened. It is not like I resigned for my self. Organization asked me to resign. I want my resignation back. If they will know Ofcourse, Ofcourse.
Very simple very simple. We have given a true interpretation of what it is in terms of where you stand currently with regard to MS rating. The decision to opt for a [inaudible]
No. that is ok … but there is only one option I have… to resign
So what other option you want like?
Other option like something I have next opportunity, chance,
Chance in terms of what?
May be assignment or something where I can… some exams like, …. to prove I don’t deserve this MS rating
That is something before MS rating, you should [unclear] I am again telling you.
After declaring only I got to know…that I got MS. Before that no one told No. obviously you know it at a point in time. Right. At the beginning you don’t fix the rating or end the rating
No before, like [unclear] [unclear]
[unclear] How long you are without project
For 3 months. That also I lost it due to our project moved to Hexaware. Not like my own fault or I asked release or something.
at the end of the day it is not anybody’s fault. It is basically, you are released for some reason
Its not like. I did not ask relocation or like I want release. Account moved and I got project less.
My point is, at the end of the day, it is not about what happened what could have happened [inaudible]
But this rating came after December this should consider till december only. the whole year I was billable.
[inaudible]
You are saying for three months you are having any project
[inaudible]
This should come in the next year appraisal. Not like. This should not affect my previous appraisal
What should come in the next year appraisal
This should not affect my 2016 appraisal
[inaudible] I am not qualified enough to speak on the appraisal process. If you have any feedback on it you are most welcome to [inaudible] I am not any body to comment on the appraisal process. You are saying what an appraisal process should be like and what an appraisal process should not be like. I am nobody to comment on the appraisal process [unclear]
[typing few seconds]
I want to [unclear] now.. it is not correct.. [unclear]
Nothing changed. Right, by having this conversation, nothing changed. You yourself opted for the option. Nothing changed [inaudible]
Yeah
Then? What exactly is your point?
My point is, I, due to pressure I resigned
Nobody pressured you. Nobody put pressure on you. What pressure? just five minutes you come into the room..putting your resignation..
Last three days I was
what last three days. last three days you very well responded to your [unclear]. Who put pressure on you. And then you write that mail, I want to let the world know I was put under the pressure. If you are under pressure, boss, you will not come into the room, 5 minutes, you resign. Nobody does that. You put in your papers in the first 5 minutes.
First five minutes. Yes
Last 3-4 hours means What last 3-4 hours
just five minute you come into the office, you resign. [unclear]
So, you are saying I put my papers by my
I am saying the decision of using the specific option was yours
Option was mine You wanted basically all the options which are available to you. There were 2 options given to you. right.
Option was mine but decision for resignation..
Decision is based on the fact that there are no internal opportunity. [unclear]. Let us be very clear. You don’t have internal opportunity in Cognizant. it would be best for you to pursue your career outside. Simple.
Why you getting confused or seeming to become confused. I can’t understand. [inaudible]
Then [what is the use of this discussion again]
[I am trying to understand why you send that mail]
Just to make my directors know. This things happening with me.
What is happening with you. You putting papers or someone is putting.
I myself. In the mail also. Due to MS rating. I am getting pressurized for that.
Nobody pressuring anyone. Let me be honest. This is what I have a problem with you. You came in. first five minutes, put in papers. You did or not?
Yeah Then
[typing]
I am supposed submit my I card today only because today was my last day right I submitted on Monday itself
You submitted?
Yeah that day Monday itself
[inaudible]
Its not right everything is not going in correct way now, now a days. Like. This people don’t have right to take ID cards and all two days before. I should submit next day only because todays my last day
Its clear. Like today’s my last day also. Who said that
Todays my last date. Who said ID card should be collected on the last day. I want to know. If you are talking to Union..
No no I am not talking with them they only contacted I don’t know When did you pass out of college
2014 [inaudible] Id card should be collected only on the last day, these things you are saying are simply false. You are obsolutely malicious, to be very very honest
You are saying.. no one forced me for resignation. Correct? So so I resigned by myself, also You got a specific rating, right? what is your rating?
MS If you got MS rating, what is your option in terms of getting project within Cognizant
But Cognizant itself is blocking MS rating peoples to get projects.
Client never knows.. like Client wants people who are performers in their projects. Is it so very difficult for you to understand?
But they don’t ask associates ratings and all There is credibility of an organization that somebody is proposed on to a client project. Right? You got an MS rating. [inaudible]
Is our appraisal system is that transparent. One. I got through only one appraisal system
Is any appraisal system transparent
No transparent. This is my first rating if someone had continuosly bad rating then it is
[inaudible] [says something about subjectivity and objectivity in rating based on different supervisors]
Are you understanding what I am saying. Is it getting into your mind?
But my supervisor never told.. You are not getting my point. You are not getting my point. I am telling you You are not getting my point. Because, we discussed all these things. Again you are asking the same thing. In that way you are giving away that you don’t know anything.
is this a game which is going or what?
Yeah. This is game only. Game only. What game
Two years I worked what lastly I got. Even in puja vacation no one in my team, every one was on leave I only worked No one questions
my supervisor never told like. Never justifying. I can show the comments, never justified MS rating for me
[inaudible]
But actually her also her hand also don’t have anything [inaudible]
You had all these clarifications
Yeah. had clalrifications. every point
Why are you bringing it up. I clearly spoke to you on these points right. There is clearly no opportunity for you in Cognizant. [unclear]
Yeah. But this is not correct time for me to move actually
What is not correct time
Due to family problems
What could you do within, Cognizant
[unclear]
[unclear]
[unclear]
[unclear]
[typing for few seconds]
What is in your mind
[silence]
[typing for few seconds]
I want to withdraw. [whisper – just one word]
why [silence] what is that you are thinking. Clearly you are not talking with [unclear]. Or clearly you are not worried about [unclear]. Clearly.
Who did you speak to? can you have discussion with, the people you are talking to.
I am not talking with these people with anyone
Then you cannot have discussion. Because, each and every question you asked us, we have all clarified. you cannot have any questions
I am not asking questions right
You are asking questions right? what will you after withdrawing the resignation?
I will look for a project myself Where is the opportunity. Where will you apply. Please understand. Don’t be, absolutely, you know, ridiculous, on certain aspects. We have spoken at least 50 times. Why do you people saying the same thing. I can’t understand. Is there a gap in what you are saying and your mind is perspecting
But something I want written in written. From organization. That we don’t any opportunity for MS rating people
Why would the organization give you that
Because Does the organization give you written letter in terms of this is the promotion criteria. [unclear]
But this is the biggest step taken by the organization right that no opportunity for MS people we should decide we should resign or not No no hold on. The option you are talking about, from the organization stand point. what is that option. we have given you two specific opportunities. Right. You very well know. You have decided to take the first opportunity. You could easily go for the 2nd opportunity. Right. That option was yours. That choice is yours
I think we need something in written. From organization I cannot give you anything on written. Simple. We are very clear on that. I have told this multiple times. I cannot give you anything written.
Then this is illegal.
What is illegal, What is illegal,
In a close room. I am asked to resign. That is. What close room. Do you want this to be done in the reception. Are you out of your mind? Are you even talking sense…
I don’t I don’t want to discuss on reception I want some thing in written so I can decide, what to… What written you want. Our promotion policy is given to you [unclear]
But when a promotion, a person got promoted they get mail like you got promoted or something like this You got promoted. Exactly. But promotion criteria is never mentioned. Please understand what you are talking about. You are talking about criteria here. MS rating and its [unclear]. If you do a set of activities and you get promoted. is that written anywhere? Please understand what you are talking about. Company will send you on site after three months. Right. You want a written mail from the company that we will send on site after three months.
Silence
[a deep sigh] I want resignation back. Then why you people called today this is my last. I wanted to understand why you ve written that mail
This. everything is written there What is written in that mail
I got MS rating, I need more opportunity, I asked for forced resignation What forced resignation. [whisper]. What forced resignation. A person, comes into the office, within five minutes that person resigns, goes away saying I want option 1 …
Think think the level of pressure he had No pressure. You had queries. We’ve responded to your queries. What pressure.
That is change. For me it is pressure, created by you and… Pressure created by yourself. Now you are saying we should not have this discussion. Company should not do this. Company should not do that. Company should not have discussion in closed room. Company should have discussion in open.
Not I am saying Let us go to the road and have the discussion. You are calling me in a closed room…
No one is knowing what is happening to me. I got MS rating. Something, that is what I am asking. Something written. Hold on.
My supervisor should know No no. Hold on. Your supervisor should know?
Yeah What should he know. I am not giving you MS rating. Your supervisor has given you MS rating. You mean to say your supervisor does not know what MS rating is?

Who has given you MS rating. HR has given you MS rating?

Managers. My supervisor Your supervisor. Let me be very clear. No managers. Your supervisor has given you the rating. So you supervisor is again telling you [unclear], I don’t know how this rating came about. I don’t know something else
I am not saying that You only said now
Everyone should know what is going on
So your rating will be known by everybody. That’s what you are saying? Is that how performance review works? [a pause] Do you even understand what you are saying? Everybody should know your rating. [unclear]
Everybody, I am not talking. You just said right now. I am not saying anything. You are only saying. That everybody should know the rating.
My supervisor.. Your supervisor has given you the rating, your supervisor does not know what is MS is? Lets be very clear. Who has given you the rating? [unclear] Who has given you the rating?
My supervisor. Then? And you say your supervisor should know your rating?
No, I am not saying No. be clear about what you are trying to say. Lets be very very clear. When you understand everything why do you say this thing
Like this mails are coming right Which mail
Resignation and all my supervisor in cc, he called me. he actually don’t know. He is . my supervisor moved to bangalore. I, I,
And did you say
I just said the current situation what is going on, due to MS rating these things happening
HR forced me [inaudible] what did he say
I did not talk that much I just that due to MS rating I am asked. HR forced me
[inaudible]
Not ex, current supervisor And what did he say
Nothing What is going on in your mind. Why are you not open and transparent. I am being transparent with you. What is there in your mind? Of the things, people are telling, you are not in a position to make any decision. [unclear] you are like one person, 50 different ideas thrown by 50 different people to you
No one, no one. I am not chatting with anyone. just Then why is this [unclear word] happening. Please understand. We had atleast 5 – 6 hours of conversation. Right.
I don’t want to resign. This time I don’t want to resign You are talking
[in hindi] do you understand
[in hindi] I understand. But no other go
[back in english]. But I don’t want to resign. This is my clear point view. Whatever, CTS will terminate me, I will
what CTS will terminate. Did I ever said termination
Something next step should come
Are you told the next step very clearly [unclear] you are not to worry about that part. Why worry about that part. Everybody should know. Everybody should be a party. Everybody should know ratings. Supervisor does not know ratings. These are things you have been telling for the last 15 minutes.
I never told like supervisor does not know. I told like what is going on
You said supervisor should know about ratings
I said what is going on with me like due to MS rating I asked to resign Your supervisor knows very well. Your supervisor is the one giving you the MS rating. You phoned him as though he does not know. [unclear]
He did not call back actually [inaudible]
My supervisor knows that I got MS rating, but what is going on, this resignation, for that he called me, what is going on, I am not getting, I am getting mails and all
Am getting?
Mails. Who is getting?
She is in cc no? for resignation. She called me and asked. I am getting mails. No one told me. What is going on. she just asked. What do you want to respond [unclear]
I don’t want. I just want. I don’t want [unclear] . I just want. What is going on with me. Everyone should know, in written, like, I asked for resignation and all.
[inaudible]
[telling an extension number]
[inaudible]
I want to, withdraw my resignation
[silent for few seconds] I give you 2 clear options.
I don’t want to choose anyone option. I want to proove
You…. Yourself…… chose the option. Just five minutes. You came ready with option.
just five minutes we had discussion. For 3 – 4 days we are having Are you not able to understand. I am saying, Monday first five minutes, you came, you choose to put papers.
Due to pressure I am saying What pressure. What pressure. Is this pressure? When you are [unclear] and I am clarifying, is it pressure? You are able to understand yaar. Seriously.You are able to understand.
You don’t want to understand actually.
No, what will I understand. You don’t want to understand the fact that you don’t have a career option in Cognizant. Let me be very honest with you. That is the real position. You are not able to understand you don’t have a career in Cognizant.
[Silent for few seconds]
I am very diappointed. I am saying that means I am very very diappointed. Everything we spoke about. right. Everthing we spoke about. First we had discussion with you. again we had discussion with you. first thing you came on Monday [unclear] today, two days later, after speaking to people, you send this mail.
No. i You are not being transparent.
You are getting.. wrong. You tell me. How am I suppose to take. Have I told anything which has not been transparent to you.
Everything is transparent. But there is no option What you are doing.
But there is no option What you are doing is not transparent. Let me be very honest.
I made a mistake, true, resigning. [in hindi] you do something before me, you do something else before others. Then behind my back you do something.
I, I did a mistake to resign actually. I should not What mistake. [unclear] You want to go for 2nd option now.
No. I don’t want to choose any option right now. See, it has to be within 2 options. I spoke to you.
And you are asking it is not forceful resignation, there is 2 option you are saying Again I am telling you. There are 2 options, even if you have resigned because there are no opportunities in Cognizant. You understand.
[in hindi] what are going to do remaining in Cognizant. if there no opportunities what will you do. Do you understand?
Nothing . You will not have projects. You will not have opportunities. You come to the organization. Take salary. Go back. Is that what the thing is. Please understand. [unclear]
If I get opportunities [unclear] what is that if I get opportunities. Can you be more specific. If I will get.
[in hindi] one day I felt like going to office. I went. I felt like not going to office. I did not go.
Is that what it is. What is that if I will get
I mean if [unclear – may be an acronym] do something I have serious doubts on your comprehension. You bringing in topics which have been discussed at least 55 times. You still talking about them. If ‘WFM’ willl do something, if HR will forward my CV, if somebody will select my profile, where will that if things comes from. Please understand. Either I am not able to make you understand or you are not able to understand or you are choosing not to understand. One of things is happening. If it is the third one, I can’t do anything. If it is either of the two, I can try.
But I don’t want to resign [unclear] I don’t think there is an option. there are 2 options. You have chosen very very carefully. there are 2 options. Which are option A & option B.
There are lot of people with MS rating and doing good in their accounts Again you are talking like you don’t understand. Did we not cover this point.
Covered but I just raised What was the response to that question [unclear]
They have been asked to release from their acccounts So you are playing a game with us or what. You have the question and you know the answer
I, I just ask questions, just ask questions, raised a point like there are lot of people with MS rating, performing well. It is not like some one got MS rating means he will under perform or something. I just raised the point.
What is the reaction you want. What do you want to [unclear] yes, no, please let me know. if you want me to react in a specific way I will react. But I am not able to understand. what I am supposed to do.
Nothing. I just raised this point.
See, I don’t, clearly, I don’t understand. All the questions you raised we have answered. Because none of the questions you asked is new . you are asking these questions again and again [unclear]
I want to withdraw resignation [unclear]
[silence]. [typing]
I want my resignation back Sorry yaar
[silent for few seconds]
Any other questions
No You want to go for option 2 instead of option 1
No I want to withdraw
[unclear]
Hm?
Withdrawal is not a possibility
But I am ready to, for next step But, what is the next step. These are only two steps na. see, that is my point. You are talking to somebody who is speaking about some ideas about some next steps which are there. These are imaginary steps. Right. Just like you getting into projects, everthing will be fine. Finally this MS rating will go away. These are all imaginations. [unclear] Let me be very clear.
No. till next appraisal system What does [unclear]
If I stay in cognizant, till next appraisal, like, after [inaudible] is there any problem in what I am saying. [inaudible]
Silent
What to do then? [inaudible] same questions you are asking over and over again
No I don’t have questions. Just want You have recommendations for the organization. Organization should do this or organization should do that
No. that is. You are senior most HR of the organization There is nothing like senior most HR of the organization [unclear]
Our appraisal system is not transparent. Not transparent and not even scientific. You just. Even if I will not be in Cognizant. [unclear] read up about the process. Read up
Read up About the appraisal process. Read up. once you go back today. Just update yourself in terms of what the benefit of performance review process and all about. [unclear] when you are saying the process is not good. You read out what the thing is. Because for last 15-16 years. I have some idea. You read it up first. Before saying a process is good or bad. And how many organizations are doing it [unclear] it will be helpful.
Ok. Right.
Ok
[silence]
Any other questions
No.
So we can’t withdraw this resignation [silence] [may be a gesture meaning No.]
Ok
[end of conversation]

Transcript by : Nesan

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Also read this article about the root cause of the current madness going on in IT sector.

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  1. Manju

    Dude Really Good fight , I am also on the way , but i will make sure they should cry..!

  2. Chaitali

    We need to be united this time of crisis wether we got ms rating or not and fight against this injustice

  3. rahul shrivastava

    very well dude ….

    1. Shishender

      What we need to do now?

      1. newdemocrats

        Get together and form a union. Join NDLF IT Employees Wing. We will take legal action, campaign among IT employees and other sections of society.

        1. Vikram Tagore

          why only IT employees why not employees of BPO as well …aren’t they part of the industry…even they go through the same shit….

          1. newdemocrats

            NDLF Union is for ITES employees as well. Please contact at combatlayoff@gmail.com to become a member.

  4. Kumar

    One word, love your job, never ever love your company.

  5. Choosed_Option1_cognizant

    bhai faadu .. par maine to paper daal diye yr

    1. newdemocrats

      Send a email to HR on following lines
      “I have been forced to leave the job, which amounts to illegal retrenchment. I have never accepted MS rating & even if i got MS, I deserve one more chance in the organisation.
      I am withdrawing the resignation, which i submitted due to pressure given by HR. Please approve resignation withdrawal request as i want to continue my journey with CTS.”

  6. Khan

    They pressurise and forced you in previous 3 calls, now they are blaming you have submitted resignation in 5mins. What a injustice.

  7. Mayank

    But need to understand one thing, any company job offer says the separation can be triggered from either side serving a notice period given in the offer letter. Then why such altercations happen? When individuals leave organizations for better prospects, does the organization not relieve them?

    Note : neither m from HR or Management or represent any particular organization, m also just an employee of an organization.

  8. Vikram Tagore

    This is a common practice in CTS….I was also forced to resign saying that I am in PIP….I was promised 2 mths salary but I have got only one month’s salary. There were other TLs also in PIP but no action is being taken against them. They are still in the system and non performing ..they are not able to meet hteir targets but they are still in the system… I made a mistake by putting in my resignation coz I didnt wanted to fight the system .. as I have to take into consideration my parents health….Its been 3 months and I am stll struggling to secure a job…and after giving me salary for the month of February the HR is making all sorts of excuses for not releasing my Salary for the month of March…..

    CTS is filled with HR and managers who are hypocrites none of them abide with the values of the organization which are: Transparency, Passion, Empowerment, Collaboration, Customer Focus, Integrity.

    All the above values are compromised Left, right and centre.

  9. V

    U r responsible for ur actions. If u have not performed don’t blame others accept and move on. Life gives many chances to prove Ur self this is not the end. Moreover they are giving u time. I

    1. Mac

      It’s not fully his fault..Many times associate get released or transferred to other account..This transition during year end make supervisior give last rating to employee who is leaving project or account..So that he can give good ratings to members who are continuing. So this folk might have done good job through year but unfortunately released during year end ..so if he does not have any project or no takers for him, associate will released to bench . There should be continuous feedback mechanism and mid year review. Things are moving towards quarterly feedback and towards transparency and improving. One thing to note, this is private sector and performing is key criteria ..With bell curve someone will be scapegoat. Accept the fact that this is going to happen , look for self improvement and upskilling.

    2. Moo

      Hi

      If you have not gone through diff of loss of job you don’t understand.so pls shut your bluesy mouth pls

  10. Nitin

    I pity this HR. They just follow the orders from biggies.
    People who decide these things, never come in limelight. Poor people on ground need to execute the orders in order to save their jobs. What other options do they have?
    Why the CEO of such company is not being questioned to?

  11. A

    Hi,
    This was a well pre-plan from the organization top level management to reduce the count this year. They don’t follow proper rules and no transparency in appraisal system. What the managers and organization decides that is final. There are lot of managers and supervisors who are not performing for years on years but being retained in organization and not even touched by any one. All political games played by managers and above level with their associates. Only the people below manager level are suffered a lot and affected with these appraisal system as they don’t can’t do anything. Managers,
    Sr. Managers, Assoc. directors and directors are all stinking for long years and they are not touched by organization and nobody questions them for their performance. They are promoted every 2 yrs once by default. All HR, managers and talent managers are all together with them. If the manager decides to screw up an associate’s career then that is final no one can stop, that is how the system works in CTS. Even HR, TAG, management are together in this….

  12. Ms_rated_person

    I was given only one option – 4 months salary.. I asked the HR I want to serve notice period , she said that’s of no use.. 🙁 n I submitted my resignation .. kind of really frustrating it is

  13. An private sector employee

    If you think the process is illegal then please proceed to a court of law. Talk to advocates ..things will continue like this. And whosoever union or political party support the view of this fighting they should alos promote the struggle by aiding the sufferers in the court process.

    And all employees should demand everything in WRITTEN IN MAIL COMMUNICATION, verbal talks do not have any value. If your company says put down your resignation then please ask it to tell the same through mail. If you do not get any communication simply do NOT resign.

    It is a private sector not financed by government i.e. public money, so there will be scenarios when lay offs happen, BUT THTA SHOULD BE IN LEGAL WAY NOT SOME ARBITARY HR OR MANAGER COMES AND ASK YOU TO RESIGN, THESE DAYS THESE HR KNOW THIS TACTICS SO THEY ASK SWITCH OFF YOUR MOBILE AND PLACE ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF HIM OR HER. BETTER BE PREPARED TO HAVE ANY OHER BACK UP DEVICES.

  14. An private sector employee

    CRANE
    More than you give Harvey’s
    prisoners, Commissioner. Your guilt
    is determined, this is merely a
    sentencing hearing. What’s it to
    be, death or exile?

    GORDON
    Crane, if you think we are going
    willingly out onto that ice, you’ve
    got another think coming.

    CRANE
    Death, then?

    138.

    GORDON
    Looks that way.

    CRANE
    Very well… Death… (Smiles.) By
    exile.

    He smashes his gavel. Bane leans in to one of his men,
    indicates Miranda.

  15. VKS

    I am in Project till 31st May.I too have got MS. I known they are going to do same with me.What to do?

    1. newdemocrats

      Don’t resign.

      1. Akash

        Please advise on what steps they can take if we refuse to resign. Can they terminate and refuse to give experience letter? Then it be worse. That is the usual threat given but I’m not sure if they do it or not.

        1. newdemocrats

          From what we have gathered so far, the have not issued termination letter to anyone. The law is clear on process for termination. None of the forced resignations in the current situation could have been termination, the management. dont have a proper case. Don’t worry, be firm, join the union, we will fight this together.

  16. Apurva

    I was a former employee of CTS they too forced me to resign, I was on bench at that time. They called me and ask me to join either in Bangalore /Pune or resign.
    I told them it’s just ten days before I lost my mother please give me some time to think over it, but they did not even try to listen to me and ya they don’t even gave me any salary as compensation as it was also a forced resignation.

  17. gordon

    Only one way …. [===edited by moderator===] sorry HRs …..HR dept is just a dept with some “high educated clarks” who has no other work but licking the executive mgmt.

  18. Sanjeev

    Bullshit appraisal cycle …even managers and senior managers are not aware what is happening…they are doing what HR is saying….not able to understand what they exactly trying to achieve…they hired people without any reasons last year…nd now firing them…if you dont have projects why you are hiring….BC worst management
    …first ask these useless HR people to leave nd resign…they do nothing but loot the money what we engenieers earn

  19. sushanth

    Synechron also doing the same thing now.

  20. Priya Lodhi

    I also got MS rating i raised voice over rating my manager told you dont worry about this you will get billing all time. Now they are saying we dont have billing in account so you try to find new project your self. I am searching project but noone is taking due to ms rating. I am going to bench i am not getting what to do. May be its my turn HR will call me. Please suggest me what to do

    1. newdemocrats

      Don’t put in your papers. Ask them to give their instructions in writing. Contact NDLF.

  21. Cognizant_Fucked_Me

    Bhai log… Whoever is thinking manager and Sr.manager are not aware of this they are either new in IT or fooled by managers .I had words with HR he said you don’t need to worry about tha part we have approval from BU head and your manager that you are not qualified for assignment and that was logical point without that my profile won’t be reviewed by them.
    It’s all non local people fired in all locations.BU head’s saved their own people they put in MS all PA,PAT ,new employee and non local

    Move on guys everything is planned

  22. Ram

    Guys dont get emotional. The employer either CTS or any other IT company has only 2 options one is asking the employee to resign or terminate the employee. If they chose the termination option they have to give the required notice period or the salary equivalent to the notice period. Employee will get a termination letter and not a relieving letter from the employer which is much more detrimental.

    So far no one has won the case and the IT and ITES employees are covered more by Shop & establishment act and some cases by Industrial Disputes act but the applicability of ID act is only in few states even there if the employer can prove to the labor department that continuation of any lower rated employee is detrimental and will create a material damage to the business then labor department will rule in favor of the company.

    So chose wise on either take a termination with all the due termination payouts or resign still negotiate for the notice period as per the employment contract so that you can get a job easily if you are in a job than out of job where you have explain why you are not in a job. Or negotiate get relieved the same day but the experience letter and relieving letter should state the last working day is at the end of the notice period or if you get a job earlier than that. And also negotiate for the salary till then. if the company refuses this blatantly then you have a case against the company for violation of law.

    1. newdemocrats

      Sir, don’t spread misinformation

      //So far no one has won the case//
      http://www.hrkatha.com/news/685-sacked-techie-wins-lawsuit-against-hcl

      //IT and ITES employees are covered more by Shop & establishment act and some cases by Industrial Disputes act but the applicability of ID act is only in few states//
      Then it is high time the other states also put ID act in place for IT sector. We need not bat for the corporates.

      //if the employer can prove to the labor department that continuation of any lower rated employee is detrimental and will create a material damage to the business then labor department will rule in favor of the company.//

      Are you a lawyer? How many cases you have taken up on behalf of employees in labour department? If not, please do not spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

      //So chose wise on either take a termination with all the due termination payouts or resign still negotiate for the notice period as per the employment contract so that you can get a job easily if you are in a job than out of job where you have explain why you are not in a job.//

      The points is, employees are not asking for any favours. It is their right. They are part of the organization, having duly passed the recruitment hurdle, then working for years to build the company. Why Cognizant management bows to the pressure of Venture Capitalists and sacrifices employees? In such circumstances, employees have another point of view which should be put forward as a collective – Union.

      IT employees form unions in European countries and even in US. Employees are not put through these kind of illegal, unethical, unprofessional treatment in those countries.

      My request to you is please consider the side of employees, don’t merely parrot the HR line. Sorry if you are offended.

      1. ram

        Sir,

        First of all, thank you for posting my comments and responding to that. I appreciate this.

        Conveniently you mentioned the case (URL quoted) which is in TN where the ID act applies. While I am in favor of companies treating the employees fairly and ethically, that cant be taken as a recourse for non performance. I am not a lawyer nor a corporate employee. I am an independent consultant and mentor / coach enabling performance improvement in young Indians irrespective of industry they work. Employees must take responsibility and accountability for their performance.

        The IT employees are educated persons who should try to manage their career. ID Act and Shop & Establishment Act came into vogue in India only because there were companies that were not fair to its workforce and doing restrictive practices against the labor class who are mostly uneducated and semi skilled. Even ID Act or Shop & establishment act does not cover the executive class workforce unless there is a labor fraud.

        I am not trying to scare the people, all I tried is to present the alternative narrative. Unions and certain lawyers try to make money out of IT and ITES employees because of their ignorance. Even the case you quoted only states that HCL did not have any documentary evidence for the improvement initiative or memo or warning to the employee and the judgement did not support the employee’s lack of performance. The case has only challenged the modus-operandi and not the retrenchment or the intent behind the retrenchment.

        I fully support that the employees should not resign with out a fair discussion and demand to comply with the employment contract. Please also clarify to the employees of CTS whom you are encouraging to group together, if CTS terminates stating that they are terminated because of lack of performance, and abide by the tenor of employment contract to the letter, where will these folks get their job next. Since its a termination order and not relieving order due to resignation, the employee becomes unemployable. How do you address that.

        Once again I appreciate your sincerity in bringing reforms to the employment situation in IT and ITES industry but that should not support lack of performance by employees and personally I dont support union in IT or ITES sector which is more detrimental in a longer run than short term benefits.

        1. newdemocrats

          Mr. Ram

          //The IT employees are educated persons who should try to manage their career.//

          Did you read the experiences of IT employees with HR we published? How the HR behaved! The HR and the top management are also educated. What gave them the right to play all these games with the employees.

          Did you listen to the HR – employee discussion video in this post.

          Do you mean to say suddenly CTS woke up one day and found 15,000 odd employees as non performers? Please go through the cases listed – on site earns you 4th bucket, project change earns you 4th bucket, maternity leave earns you non-performer tag, and for some, non-performer tag is given 6 months after promotion/client appreciation. There are many cases where the reporting managers dont agree with the non-performer tag.

          It is branding someone non-performer and firing them. Is this professional?

          //I am not trying to scare the people, all I tried is to present the alternative narrative. Unions and certain lawyers try to make money out of IT and ITES employees because of their ignorance. Even the case you quoted only states that HCL did not have any documentary evidence for the improvement initiative or memo or warning to the employee and the judgment did not support the employee’s lack of performance. The case has only challenged the modus-operandi and not the retrenchment or the intent behind the retrenchment.//

          Exactly, if the company has performance issues, they can take corrective measures, not fire the employee. In the current instance, for how many affected employees CTS can justify the non performer tag?

          //I fully support that the employees should not resign with out a fair discussion and demand to comply with the employment contract. Please also clarify to the employees of CTS whom you are encouraging to group together, if CTS terminates stating that they are terminated because of lack of performance, and abide by the tenor of employment contract to the letter, where will these folks get their job next. Since its a termination order and not relieving order due to resignation, the employee becomes unemployable. How do you address that.//

          This is how you scare the people.

          First of all, as you stated if someone is really a non performer why the company gives a false shield to them. Let the company follow due process. But legally non performance is not cause for termination. CTS can not terminate as they wish, employees have legal rights.

          Secondly, this job is earned by the employees by hard work and performance. They are fighting for their rights. You are scaring by pointing at future prospects. Any talented employee will get a job irrespective of what unethical and unprofessional companies do. We are professional people, and know our strengths and how manage our careers.

          //Once again I appreciate your sincerity in bringing reforms to the employment situation in IT and ITES industry but that should not support lack of performance by employees//

          We are talking about rights, you are bringing in lack of performance. We stand for rights as guaranteed under Indian constitution and labour laws. You support companies breaking law and behaving unethically.

          //personally I dont support union in IT or ITES sector which is more detrimental in a longer run than short term benefits.//

          That is your opinion. Bank employees have union, transport employees have union, railway employee have union. All of them perform and keep the banks functioning, buses plying, and trains running.

          Without unions employees are at the mercy of unethical HR people and cheap office politics. Unions enable democracy at work place. Why there is no discussion with employees about the layoff process? Why employees are pushed out one by one? Why not put the facts on the table in front of employees (how much revenue, how much profit, what is the employee cost so on) and ask for advice, if the company is really in trouble?

          It is all about share markets and pleasing hedge funds. We should fight this, and we will fight.

      2. ram

        Sir One more point that I want to bring to your attention is that the case you mentioned was once again overruled by Chennai High Court in one of the TCS employee’s case and asked the Labor Commissioner to suggest suitable act that covers IT and ITES employees. Even the High court was not in a position to pass the ruling that the employees in IT and ITES are laborers as per the definitions of ID act.

        When Jayalalitha came to power in 2016, she introduced ID Act to IT and ITES sector in Tamilnadu alone under the Schedule 2 of Constitution and brought this under state subject. Even this only companies that have registered office in Tamilnadu and the employment contract between employee and employer where the jurisdiction is mentioned as Tamilnadu this ID act will apply. For others the respective jurisdiction of the employer will apply,

        Thanks

        1. newdemocrats

          //One more point that I want to bring to your attention is that the case you mentioned was once again overruled by Chennai High Court in one of the TCS employee’s case and asked the Labor Commissioner to suggest suitable act that covers IT and ITES employees//

          If you are not a lawyer, please do not dish out legal opinions. We have a team of lawyers working for NDLF, you can talk to them if you want to be enlightened. As far as I understand what you state is confusing the issue.

          //When Jayalalitha came to power in 2016, she introduced ID Act to IT and ITES sector in Tamilnadu alone under the Schedule 2 of Constitution and brought this under state subject. //

          Wrong information. It is not Jayalalitha’s benevolence which brought labour rights to IT employee, but sustained legal fight and mass campaign by NDLF.

          Read this http://new-democrats.com/right-to-form-union-re-affirmed/
          From the post
          “NDLF filed a petition with the Labour Department requesting action to prevent such illegal practices by IT companies. As no action as taken on the petition, a PIL was filed at the Madras High Court by NDLF, on which the court issued an order to Tamil Nadu government to decide whether IT industry would be covered under the Industrial Disputes (ID) Act or not.

          However, the state government did not take any action on the order.
          A petition was submitted to the Secretary to Government, Labour and Employment department on 24-03-2015.
          A reminder to the above petition was sent in May 2015. The government refused to budge.
          A petition filed under RTI Act demanding to know the action taken on the petition evoked no response. An appeal also failed to produce any results.
          As the government did not act on the High Court’s order even after 14 months, a contempt petition was filed in Madras High Court which was scheduled to come up for hearing soon.

          Only after all this, Tamil Nadu government has come forward to confirm the rights of IT employees. This shows that even to assert the basic rights of employees, it requires sustained and organized efforts by NDLF to move the government machinery into action.”

          //Even this only companies that have registered office in Tamilnadu and the employment contract between employee and employer where the jurisdiction is mentioned as Tamilnadu this ID act will apply. For others the respective jurisdiction of the employer will apply,//

          Again this is a legal opinion which you or I are not qualified to give.

          In other states also IT employees should form unions and approach the courts to direct the government to enforce labour laws. That is the right approach. Not accepting high handed behaviour of corporates.

          1. shishender kataria

            If CTS ask someone to resign what you guys expect what steps he needs to take??
            he has very strong points that proved he is not a non performer his manager did wrong with him.

            Please tell me the process in detail , i want to share my experience personally

          2. newdemocrats

            Don’t resign.
            Keep everything in writing – avoid oral conversations.
            Write your side of the case clearly and send to management, with a copy to your personal email.
            Contact NDLF and become a member, we can fight this out together.

          3. ram

            Sir, I am sorry to disagree with you. All the best for your campaign and take the people for fools. I know how things work as much as you do or NDLF does. Its not the sustained campaign by the NDLF to get the ID act introduced in TN. If that be the case why is NDLF not able to do these in so called communist strong hold states like Kerela or West Bengal where there are IT and ITES industry.

            Please do not take false credit. As I said IT employees are educated masses and they will not fall for your false propaganda and Yes Banks have unions, Railways have unions all are government owned are controlled where populism is the key. One day strike in Railways or banks affects millions of people in the nation so many tiimes public services come to stand still and the govt comes to negotiating table. But its not the case in IT or ITES, by your move to bring unions, the clients will go to different country and kill this industry which is the hope for many budding engineers.

            Yes India constitution provides constitutional guarantee to work where the person wishes to work but at the same time the same constitution provides the constitutional right to recruit or retrench. The constitutional right does not guarantee to lack of performance. These are private companies and share holder value is the most important criteria and market dynamics play in these cases.

            Yes I did read the transcript and audio clipping. Similar clipping did the rounds during last year TCS mass retrenchment, both are fake conversations and prepared. I know human physiology much better and been witness to many such discussions and never ever have observed such a clean conversation. very controlled dialogue by the impacted person. by the way did you hear the last year conversation with TCS the same voice sample is used. I have a strong doubt that these are not real conversations.

            Now a days IT companies are not fools to have such conversation with your recorder on. By the way lack of performance is a reason for termination, please read every employment agreement between employees and employers its clearly stated.

            While I am not saying the IT employers are not holy cows (I dont take this as HR issue because in IT or ITES there is nothing called Human Resource the way the definition of HR or labor relations as in Manufacturing companies) these are more people managers. and such conversations never happens with out the business involved (I mean the project lead). None of the IT company have such conversation on one on one basis. like wise the intervention by another women confirms that this is not a real conversation, the intervention is too coincidental and too clean once again.

            I think you have an objective to pursue and I have my personal point of views and we will continue to agree to disagree so neither of us will be convinced to toe the others line, but definitely I appreciate the honest exchange of this thoughts than branding me or abusing me you have expressed your point of view and you have allowed these posts to appear in your site which is definitely commendable.

          4. newdemocrats

            //Its not the sustained campaign by the NDLF to get the ID act introduced in TN. If that be the case why is NDLF not able to do these in so called communist strong hold states like Kerela or West Bengal where there are IT and ITES industry.//

            I gave you concrete evidence of how it was done in Tamil Nadu such as – the letter admitting that ID Act is applicable to IT sector was written by Labour Secretary to NDLF. If you want to dispute that provide specific facts. Don’t give general statements.

            Secondly, on Kerala and WB, NDLF did not take initiative so far. When we take up the campaign you will see the results.

            //Yes Banks have unions, Railways have unions all are government owned are controlled where populism is the key. One day strike in Railways or banks affects millions of people in the nation so many tiimes public services come to stand still and the govt comes to negotiating table.//

            It is not because it is government sector, because it is the way to have democracy and conversation between equals in Employee/Employer relationship. The right of association is a fundamental right guaranteed under the constitution. Striking work is one of the strong negotiating tools available to the employees which is used only as the last resort and as you rightly point out, an employer as mighty as the state come to the table once that is resorted to.

            //But its not the case in IT or ITES, by your move to bring unions, the clients will go to different country and kill this industry which is the hope for many budding engineers.//

            That is nonsense. The companies needed the talented, english speaking workers pool in India, they came here. It does not mean we should give up all our rights and kneel in front of them. We have same right as European and US workers in work place.

            //Yes India constitution provides constitutional guarantee to work where the person wishes to work but at the same time the same constitution provides the constitutional right to recruit or retrench. The constitutional right does not guarantee to lack of performance. These are private companies and share holder value is the most important criteria and market dynamics play in these cases.//

            All wrong. The constitution provides Right to form associations and unions (19c) and to practice any profession, or to carry on any occupation, trade or business. http://lawmin.nic.in/olwing/coi/coi-english/Const.Pock%202Pg.Rom8Fsss(6).pdf

            There is no constitutional right to recruit or retrench as far as I know. I welcome you to provide the clause for this right, if there is any. The constitution also does not talke about share holder value and profits of private companies.

            IT employees are Indian citizens, we will exercise the right against the unrestricted, unrestrained quest for profit by private corporations domestic as well as foreign.

            //Yes I did read the transcript and audio clipping. Similar clipping did the rounds during last year TCS mass retrenchment, both are fake conversations and prepared. I know human physiology much better and been witness to many such discussions and never ever have observed such a clean conversation. very controlled dialogue by the impacted person. by the way did you hear the last year conversation with TCS the same voice sample is used. I have a strong doubt that these are not real conversations. Now a days IT companies are not fools to have such conversation with your recorder on. While I am not saying the IT employers are not holy cows (I dont take this as HR issue because in IT or ITES there is nothing called Human Resource the way the definition of HR or labor relations as in Manufacturing companies) these are more people managers. and such conversations never happens with out the business involved (I mean the project lead). None of the IT company have such conversation on one on one basis. like wise the intervention by another women confirms that this is not a real conversation, the intervention is too coincidental and too clean once again.//

            How can you go on and on about something which you have absolutely no knowledge. I will ask the employee concerned whether he will talk to you, but it is for him to decide.

            You started with terming affected CTS employees non-performers, now you call us cheaters. We have more integrity than the MBA/HR manipulators, because we work to earn our living.

            //By the way lack of performance is a reason for termination, please read every employment agreement between employees and employers its clearly stated.//

            We have received employment agreement from several employees of CTS. None of them talk about “lack of performance as a reason for termination”. You are welcome to provide contrary proof. Send to our email address. And please stop harping on non-performance; we are discussing rights of employees, not defending non-performance. The affected CTS employees are not non-performers.

            Secondly, a private agreement between two entities can not override the law of land, and law of land can not override the constitution of the country.
            ==
            Do come out of the corporate worshiping mentality and start thinking about real people.

  23. Arun

    Sir,

    I have a question.
    I have not got MS but being in bench CTS will ask me to resign me soon. If I deny then they might put some false security violations issue and/or data related issues and can release me in a single day. In that case what would be my stand?

    If my rights are to get 10 months of full salary in case company asked me to resign then 1) Can they deny that in lieu of the false charges 2) When I mentioned salary( can they just pay me 10 months of basic on instead of full salary)

    Regards

    1. Akash

      Who told you company would give you 10 months of salary? Did HR tell you this? There is no company policy regarding this. If they really are offering you this, you better take it with both hands and resign immediately. There is no point in resisting since once they ask you to resign, it means they do not want you there and they will make life hell for you as long as you stay there.

  24. Arun

    Thanks Akash. In case they lay me off, sack me ( not a case of voluntary resignation) they need to pay 10 months of salary. That was my understanding after going thru this website.

    Hi Newdemocrats

    Do you have any comments on the same. I have also asked few questions in my first mail. Would you care to answer please

    Regards

    1. newdemocrats

      Arun,

      We are really overwhelmed with the queries and comments pouring in right now. Please give us a few hours time. Will announce the next step soon.

      Sorry about the delay. Let us work together and face this together.

      1. Arun

        @newdemocrats

        Any updates please?

        1. newdemocrats

          See this for the legal stand. and this for setting up of trade union.

          Please also look at NDIEC page. We have gathered a good number of people from all over India (Pune, Mumbai, Kolkata, Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Chandigarh, Ghaziabad, Noida, Coimbatore, Chennai) and from abroad too and are in the process of forming a group of active members who can form trade union in each state. NDIEC will co-ordinate all such activities.

          Please join in.

  25. Rohit

    I was also forced. I was trapped. There are some false allegations against me. Nothing was proved till then. HR directly told me to resign with 2 months salary or they will terminate so that I will not get any kind of letters and all. HR assured me that he will investigate on this but nothing happened. I was released on the very next day and now all the formalities have been done.
    @newdemocrats, Can we do anything now? I am not from IT.

    1. newdemocrats

      Hi Rohit,
      Please send a email to combatlayoff@gmail.com (your location, company and other details). We will take it from there.

  26. Harry

    When there was time companies making profit and sharing profit or promotions to very low level was really cheap thing and now when companies are running through bad time so they are simply putting employees in axe or forcing to have ace on their career.

  27. Devi

    i heard the inhuman way HCognizant R is treating employees even with 10 plus years in the company,forced to resign by threat,forcefully taking ID cards from employee,mentioning to employees that if they do not resign they will do it from backend etc,these are criminal activities,i request all to come forward protest against these activities in public places ,this should be a big movement to save IT people,also just that one of the activist investor Elliot wants to increase profitability this cannot be the easy way,throw out these inhuman HR people,Portfolio directors,VP etc who cannot bring business instead of targetting working people

  28. Bala

    What happened for this employee. He still is in cognizant or terminated.

    1. newdemocrats

      He was forced to resign.

  29. Raja

    Has anyone withdrawn back their forced resignation in Cognizant during notice period using the portal? What are the consequences? I too in the same situation.

    1. Rohit

      Hi Raja,
      They will not give you the option to serve the notice period. It’s spot resignation. You will get your resignation acceptance letter within 24 hours of your resignation.

      1. Raja

        No I am serving my notice period and opted this out of 2 options. Either leave with 4 months salary or serve 2 months notice period. I have 10+ years with Cognizant and a highly rated employee till the last cycle which again due to change in the account in the last quarter. They just have asked by MS without assessing my case.

        1. Devi

          Till April end Cognizant HR was forcing people to resign with the 2 options,is the forced resignations still continuing in May?
          Once you resign through portal,to withdraw you need HR approval which they wont do,so once resigned there is no option to withdraw without HR approval.

  30. x. cts employee

    Hr / hcm /pm/directors all are puppets of top management. here only the culprit is franc who failed to handle investors urge for more money and in pressure to increase profits he started firing people. this is as simple as this.
    But no one pointing that asshole who is not giving any comment and safegaurding its ass saying its all due to rating and its their regular process. bullshit

  31. Vikash

    Hi All,

    Even I have been given MS rating and now they have released me from my current project and I will be tagged with the account till 30th of May.

    Last Friday was my last day in the project, it’s been almost a week and I am yet to get a call (seems I won’t get one)

    I was awarded with the Nobel MS rating out of no fault of mine, only point of concern was my accounts got changed (3 accounts ) and the manager told me to contribute in innovation and account level work and when he could not figure out anything he moved with the RDP part and said since your certificate 3 is 90% so you are victim of stack rating, hence you are getting MS rating.

    At that time he told nothing will happen since I am in a project and now MS persons are getting released without any proper justification, apathy to that I not getting a single call from projects in QE&A.

    It’s been almost 2 years that I am associated with CTS, please let me know how should I proceed with the case.

    1. newdemocrats

      Hi Vikash,

      Please send an email to NDLF at combatlayoff@gmail.com with location, phone no. Thanks.

    2. Akash

      Bro don’t wait for CTS to kick you out, you know it’s coming anyway right? MS rated associates are being masked in the internal job board so that no manager can call you and tag you to their project. No point in being part of a sinking ship. So better you start interviewing for other companies and within 2-3 months you will have another job with a salary hike.

  32. Dinesh A

    Hi,

    I am from Cognizant-Coimbatore having 6.5 years in a same company

    I too got MS rating this year and till now i am in a project.Today i got a call from my manager and he says “HR triggered your release without my knowledge and you will be released from the project on May 31st”.I suspect this as a first step of layoff.How should i react for this situation?

    Moreover i have following evidence regarding my employment

    1) Recent client appreciation and Delivery directors appreciations for my good work.

    2) M.Tech degree got through CTS-VIT program (CTS launched it for up scaling their employee skills and to achieve employees master degree aspiration )

    3) My whole office work time which on average exceeds 10.5 hours. (Normally CTS bills client for 8 hours per day but for our project it bills for (8.5 or 9 hours) for this purpose the unofficially want us to maintain more than 9.5 hours in office)

    4) My Utilization details (i was 100 % billable for past 5 years)

    5) Client time sheet in which i entered for 8.5 hours(Normally it would be 8).

    6) CTS time sheet in which i entered for 8.5 hours(Normally it would be 8)

    Do i want to collect anymore evidence before HR calls me.

    Thanks
    Dinesh A

    1. sc

      then why did you get ms??

  33. Suresh

    HR called me today in Pune
    I met her and argued over the resignation.i strictly said NO.she said she has other options.what other option she can opt ?
    Can she terminate me ?

    1. Akash

      Got a call from HR today at Kolkata. I met her and she asked me to resign. I am not even in 4th bucket. I got second rating this year. My project is going to be ramped down but instead of sending me to bench, Cognizant is asking me to resign. What is going on? Is this a joke? They are silently firing whoever they like and threatening us with termination if we refuse to resign. I am afraid they won’t give experience letter if I get terminated, so what option do I have?

    2. Vimal

      She can’t terminate you

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